Surf Keeyz
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Originally Posted by herrimanhills
alright im asking. what is a surf keey and what is its purpose? the tab about them on the SZ website just says about riding them and stuff but what are they? where do they go? and what do they do exactly? sorry if im missing something....
Originally Posted by SeanML
Essentially, they have the same function as a spherical bearing in the hanger.
In any truck without sphericals, the kingpin hole in the hanger is quite a bit bigger than the kingpin itself. Because of this, there's quite a bit of turn "lost to compression"... basically, the truck leans over and squishes the bushing, but doesn't translate that lean into turn.
By eliminating this kind of squishing, the Surf-Keey restricts the hanger to the intended axis of rotation, so every little bit of lean translates into turning.
Short version: It makes the truck really turny and responsive.
We took the keys to test them out in a lot of various different terrain and difficulty levels.
We hit up:
Pump station (40-43 mph straight run with a big bump in the middle)
Glendora Mountain Road - GMR- (30 -35 mph very curvy, very tech road)
Alva Road (40-42 mph sweepers into sharp left)
We rode them for quite a bit, with them in both trucks, with them in one truck, and then the comparison without them.
Overall the feeling of the keys make the trucks feel like a higher degree truck. you get more turn to lean ration than without them. so anything you do will be passed on to the maneuvering of the trucks. it makes the trucks ridiculously responsive. very very agile.
With them in both trucks:
I found it to be overkill with them in both trucks. going down to your deck at speeds would be twitchy, imperfections on the road get transferred immediately to your steering. ultra responsive.
like this I find it to be overkill for speeds, but at the same time, when you are cruising this feels amazing!!! even on drop decks you can turn and carve sooo easily, even with harder bushings. very surfy feel while carving.
With them on the front truck:
I love this combination! the frontal steering comes into effect and makes the deck very very very agile while stable at speeds. I could hit very narrow hairpins a lot easier then with the key in both. with a lot more confidence.
In straight runs they feel just as good and agile as can be. you still feel some of the imperfections on the road of course, but having the back truck being less responsive it makes for a fantastic combination.
If these were to be put in this combination on a smaller width hanger, they would be an incredible front truck for Slalom and LDP. no doubt about it.
“Precision trucks all the way - much smoother than most”...
“With the rear surf key removed, there was a huge improvement for speed and corning”...
“It makes for very Versatile trucks that have what it takes to be raced, or just cruised”...
“Great for gyrating down paths and slalom”...
“Very stoked with the responsiveness and drive and very smooth”.
“These new keeys are great! Super easy to change out. Super smooth ride with the desired responsiveness. Smoothest responsive system that I have so far felt”.
I wish that I had a surf Keey for my front truck for these past races - I can tell that I am just a little sluggish snapping the front truck around the quick turns because of the softer insert- Not any more!....
alright im asking. what is a surf keey and what is its purpose? the tab about them on the SZ website just says about riding them and stuff but what are they? where do they go? and what do they do exactly? sorry if im missing something....
Originally Posted by SeanML
Essentially, they have the same function as a spherical bearing in the hanger.
In any truck without sphericals, the kingpin hole in the hanger is quite a bit bigger than the kingpin itself. Because of this, there's quite a bit of turn "lost to compression"... basically, the truck leans over and squishes the bushing, but doesn't translate that lean into turn.
By eliminating this kind of squishing, the Surf-Keey restricts the hanger to the intended axis of rotation, so every little bit of lean translates into turning.
Short version: It makes the truck really turny and responsive.
We took the keys to test them out in a lot of various different terrain and difficulty levels.
We hit up:
Pump station (40-43 mph straight run with a big bump in the middle)
Glendora Mountain Road - GMR- (30 -35 mph very curvy, very tech road)
Alva Road (40-42 mph sweepers into sharp left)
We rode them for quite a bit, with them in both trucks, with them in one truck, and then the comparison without them.
Overall the feeling of the keys make the trucks feel like a higher degree truck. you get more turn to lean ration than without them. so anything you do will be passed on to the maneuvering of the trucks. it makes the trucks ridiculously responsive. very very agile.
With them in both trucks:
I found it to be overkill with them in both trucks. going down to your deck at speeds would be twitchy, imperfections on the road get transferred immediately to your steering. ultra responsive.
like this I find it to be overkill for speeds, but at the same time, when you are cruising this feels amazing!!! even on drop decks you can turn and carve sooo easily, even with harder bushings. very surfy feel while carving.
With them on the front truck:
I love this combination! the frontal steering comes into effect and makes the deck very very very agile while stable at speeds. I could hit very narrow hairpins a lot easier then with the key in both. with a lot more confidence.
In straight runs they feel just as good and agile as can be. you still feel some of the imperfections on the road of course, but having the back truck being less responsive it makes for a fantastic combination.
If these were to be put in this combination on a smaller width hanger, they would be an incredible front truck for Slalom and LDP. no doubt about it.
“Precision trucks all the way - much smoother than most”...
“With the rear surf key removed, there was a huge improvement for speed and corning”...
“It makes for very Versatile trucks that have what it takes to be raced, or just cruised”...
“Great for gyrating down paths and slalom”...
“Very stoked with the responsiveness and drive and very smooth”.
“These new keeys are great! Super easy to change out. Super smooth ride with the desired responsiveness. Smoothest responsive system that I have so far felt”.
I wish that I had a surf Keey for my front truck for these past races - I can tell that I am just a little sluggish snapping the front truck around the quick turns because of the softer insert- Not any more!....
